When the Student Is Ready: Sifu Edward & Sifu Julliana Armstrong Sit Down With Nick James (Part 1)

Adapted from the recorded conversation; the guest's words are verbatim. The questions are reconstructed and voiced by Sifu Edward and Sifu Julliana Armstrong.

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In a new Sifu Armstrong interview, the UK licensing veteran traces his path from a broken relationship to a multi-million-dollar business, and argues the people who fail are usually the “clever” ones who improvise before they’ve mastered the basics.

Nick James was twenty years old, freshly out of a bad breakup, and broke when a mentor’s Brian Tracy cassette tape changed the direction of his life. That origin story opens Part 1 of his conversation with Sifu Edward and Sifu Julliana Armstrong for the Warrior Intelligence Series, and it sets up a lesson James has built an entire career around.

“When the student is ready, the teacher appears,” James said, describing the moment he threw himself into learning an unfamiliar business rather than sit with the pain of his personal life. He calls himself “an avoidance-of-pain guy,” and says that avoidance, aimed at something constructive, became the difference between an also-ran and someone who hit the ground running.

What came next, in James’s telling, was less about talent than obedience. A mentor showed him exactly how to license and market a product, step by step, and James copied it without deviation. The results came quickly, and stayed consistent, for a reason he’s since made central to his teaching. “If you do what you’re told by your mentor, you follow instructions to a T, you should get what you were shown,” James said. “Clever people change what they’re told because they think they know better than the person that’s teaching them.” Sales came fast precisely because he resisted the urge to improve on a method he hadn’t yet fully learned.

That discipline extended into how James approached licensing itself, buying the rights to sell someone else’s finished product rather than waiting to perfect one of his own. “I hadn’t actually created a product until I’d licensed at least half a dozen products from other people,” he said, arguing that a licensed product reaches the market roughly ten times faster than one built from scratch, because the temptation to keep polishing it away from public view disappears entirely.

James is equally candid about what changed once the money did. Fast cars and a bigger house followed a period when he felt he had something to prove, until it stopped mattering. “Be careful what you wish for,” he said, describing a business now built to run whether he shows up or not, and a bigger prize he only recognized in hindsight: funding a genuinely good education for his two sons rather than chasing a bigger number for its own sake.

Part 2 of the conversation, continuing James’s story, publishes separately.

It’s a story that lines up closely with the discipline the Armstrongs teach on the mat, master the form exactly as given, and earn the right to improvise only after the basic movement is second nature.

In This Conversation

“When the student is ready, the teacher appears,” how a breakup led to a business
Why “clever people” who change the recipe early usually fail
Licensing a product versus building one from scratch
The practical steps to rebrand and market a licensed product
“Be careful what you wish for,” fast cars, then a different definition of success
What’s ahead in Part 2

The Full Conversation

Sifu Edward Armstrong: Nick James said a sentence in this conversation that could be carved over the door of every academy on earth: when the student is ready, the teacher appears. He was a twenty-year-old at rock bottom who found a mentor, followed instructions to the letter, and built a multi-million-dollar business, and he's blunt that the people who fail are the "clever" ones who change the recipe before they've mastered it. That is the entire discipline of the form. I had to have him on.

Sifu Julliana Armstrong: And what moved me is where the turning point came, not from ambition, but from pain. A breakup, money worries, a life that had fallen apart, and a Brian Tracy cassette telling him to educate himself and forgive. He threw himself into the work to escape the pain, and it saved him. Every warrior I know has a version of that exact moment.

Our guest is Nick James, one of the UK's most experienced internet marketers, Internet Marketer of the Year, and a master of product licensing. Nick, great to connect.

Nick James: Hey, it's great to be here. Thanks for inviting me.

Sifu Edward Armstrong: Take us back to the beginning, because you didn't come through a university or a marketing degree.

Nick James: Yeah, sure. I've come through what I call grassroots, or the guerrilla style of marketing. I had to make something work from the beginning. I knew nothing in 2000, 2001. That's when I had a chance meeting with somebody that was already making money online, in a completely different way than I'd ever heard of or seen before. He basically just told me he was making money by offering people things that were for sale. It sounds really obvious now, but back then I was told that you had to give people your time, you had to have a job, you needed to go out to work in order to get a wage. And that was a real turning point in my life, because for the first time I had this huge illumination, this light bulb telling me that my income was no longer index-linked to the number of hours I was working a day for a boss who, well, I pretty much didn't like him and he didn't like me.

Sifu Julliana Armstrong: But the deeper turning point wasn't the business idea, was it? It came from a very dark place.

Nick James: The thing that really got me started was the fact that I'd gone through a breakup with my partner, my little boy's mom. We went through a bad separation. And it was at this point somebody first introduced me to a self-help guy. You probably know him, Brian Tracy. I was listening to a cassette tape of his called The Psychology of Achievement. And he said on this tape, you need to learn to love yourself and you need to learn to educate yourself. Now listen, I'm not into the high-five, happy-clappy self-help kind of thing. But he connected with me. I thought, I'm 20 years old and I fell out of love with educating myself. I didn't have a good high school education, and here's a man telling me I should put my energy into something because I'm in a very bad place right now, and I should learn to forgive everybody else.

And do you know what? When I was coming out of that bad place and listened to him, it was almost as if that saying of "when the student is ready, the teacher appears" actually happened. I threw myself into something I knew nothing about, and embraced all of this new information, that there's another way to earn money, you don't have to have a job, you can be your own boss. I was in such a bad place at the time. I didn't want to think about my personal life, my money worries, all the things I didn't have anymore. I'm an avoidance-of-pain guy, and I did everything to avoid the pain I was feeling and threw myself into this wholeheartedly. And that could've been the difference between an also-ran and somebody that really did hit the ground running.

Sifu Julliana Armstrong: "When the student is ready, the teacher appears." I've heard that in a dozen forms and it's true every time. The pain isn't the obstacle to the transformation. It's the doorway to it. You were ready precisely because you were broken open, and the teaching found the crack and got in. So many warriors arrive at our door in exactly that state, and it's often the ones in the most pain who go the furthest.

Sifu Edward Armstrong: How did you actually get going, and I sense there's a hard lesson in here about following the master exactly.

Nick James: A lot of it comes down to consistency. When I think back, all I did was copy exactly what I was shown. I had a mentor who taught me how he was making his money, how he was selling his products, how he licensed them, how he marketed them. And I'll be honest, I didn't find it difficult in the sense that I didn't know what to do. The process was quite systematic, quite methodical. And what I found out (and this is really important for everyone to take away) is that if you do what you're told by your mentor, you follow instructions to a T, you should get what you were shown. Sometimes it's when we go off track and change the recipe because we think we know better. Clever people change what they're told because they think they know better than the person that's teaching them. So I licensed my first product, I put some marketing together, and by following those steps I got sales very quickly. Then I had this learned behaviour (if I do this again, I'm going to make more sales), so I just kept repeating what I'd originally done.

Sifu Edward Armstrong: Stop there, because that is the deepest law of the dojo. "Clever people change the recipe because they think they know better." Every white belt wants to improvise on day one, to add their flourish before they can do the basic form correctly. It's the fastest way to fail. Master the form exactly as taught. You earn the right to change the recipe only after you can cook the original in your sleep.

Sifu Edward Armstrong: What's the one piece of advice you'd give someone just starting, and then tell our operators why licensing is so central to what you do.

Nick James: There's one key thing, and I wrote about it recently in a new book, Six Figures a Year in Info Publishing, right at the very beginning because of its importance. Essentially, it's the aim. What we're trying to do is always add value to people's lives, make a difference, enrich people's lives so they get what they want too, a win-win for both people. If you can be the person others think of in a favourable way, so each time somebody does business with you they think positively, then you're top of mind for the future. It's far better than conning somebody and thinking you pulled the wool over their eyes. Don't do that. Be the white knight of your industry. Love your customers. Because profits in business come from the lifetime customer value, and if you set up the foundations and the ethics of how you trade correctly, it comes back and rewards you tenfold, hundredfold.

And licensing. You can get your first product to market ten times faster if you license it than if you create it yourself. When we create things, we want to perfect them, and to make something perfect it never reaches a hundred percent, so we don't release it. I remember Marlon Sanders saying, "Half done, ain't done." You have all these half-finished projects, but if it's half finished, you haven't sold one. With licensing, the thing's already created: all you need to do is make it look a little different, put another wrapper on it, rebrand it, give it another title, change the marketing, and it's ready to go. The customer's waiting. I hadn't actually created a product until I'd licensed at least half a dozen products from other people.

Sifu Edward Armstrong: Give our operators the practical process for taking a licensed product to market.

Nick James: Step one, make sure you have a licence that provides the permission to rebrand: ideally lifetime licences with no time restriction, worldwide with no territory restriction, and the ability to rebrand, all in writing. Don't rely on the fact that you read it on a webpage once. Then, knowing you can sell it forever and to the world, you need to make your product look different to anyone else's, because people search for part numbers and product names and coupon codes. So look at the title, write down as many different titles as you can. I licensed a product called One Day Product Creation and my rebranded version became the 24 Hour Product Formula, same product, different title. Use thesaurus.com for synonyms if you're stuck. Then find a graphic designer (I have the graphic design skills of a three-year-old with jumbo crayons) on Fiverr, Freelancer, or Upwork. Then get the domain name, .com or .net only, all one word, lowercase, avoid hyphens.

And one extra bonus tip: try to find something that complements the product you've licensed. Then you've got a package. Even if your version looks similar, it doesn't matter, because you're the only person with these other bonuses. That makes you unique by default, nobody can find it in Google, you've made a complete unique unit, and now you're not competing on price, you're competing on the value you're giving. That's the secret between selling one or two of a licensed product and selling hundreds, if not thousands.

Sifu Julliana Armstrong: When you first started were your family behind you, or did they try to talk you out of it?

Nick James: I think everyone's family shares these concerns, worried about failure. I was the first person in my family to say, "I don't want to be employed, I want to be self-employed." I was the tearaway teenager that always didn't want to comply. So in my nature I always had this contrary point of view. The more my family said "you can't do that," the more I wanted to prove them wrong. I was stubborn and just did it anyway. I sold things on eBay, I licensed products, I studied the internet. And most embarrassingly. My first online experience was putting an AOL CD-ROM stuck on the front of a magazine into my computer, and I'd been online for three weeks before I found a button that said www. I'd been surfing the AOL intranet for three weeks before I realised that's not online. And I didn't have any family or friends able to tell me I was making those mistakes. I was ahead of the curve.

Sifu Julliana Armstrong: "The more they said I couldn't, the more I wanted to prove them wrong." That fuel is real, and it's honest, the doubt of the people around you can be the exact thing that lights you. Just don't stay there forever. There comes a point where you stop doing it to prove them wrong and start doing it because it's who you are. It sounds like you crossed that line a long time ago.

Sifu Julliana Armstrong: You talk about an "epiphany moment." What is it?

Nick James: You only need to get one person to click that button and say, "yes, I want to buy what you have for sale today," and you've got your first customer. You've reached what I call your epiphany moment, the moment a complete stranger gives you money. And you think, if I can get one customer to buy what I have for sale, I can get two, I can get ten, I can get a hundred, and then you're away. It's like learning to ride a bike. You might wobble at first, but when your parent lets go and you pedal furiously, you feel like the king of the world. Remember, people are begging to be shown what to do next. If you know the problems and pains somebody's having in a particular niche, and it keeps coming up time and time again, that's called a marketplace. I'm not promising you'll make a million dollars by teatime, but if you reach your epiphany moment, get somebody to make a purchase, and genuinely enrich their life, you leave them thinking, "that was a pleasant experience, I wonder what else I could learn." And you've left the door open for a second purchase. That's where the real money gets made.

Sifu Julliana Armstrong: The epiphany moment (a stranger putting money in your hand) is the same thing as a beginner's first real technique landing clean. Before it, you're wobbling on hope. After it, you've felt the machine work, and you can never unfeel it. That single proof is worth more than months of encouragement, because now you know.

Sifu Julliana Armstrong: Of everything you've built, what are you most proud of, and I hear your relationship with "success" itself has changed.

Nick James: The thing I'm most proud about is putting both my boys, Daniel and Josh, through a really good education. I worry about the education system and the fact that we're all told the same set of fibs, that we need to go get a job and work for somebody else. I wanted them to get a good education, and there were school fees to pay. We all want to do well for our children. My dad at one point was concerned, saying, "Isn't this all a little bit materialistic?" And I did like the big houses and fast cars, but that was a point in my life where I felt I had something to prove. Now I'm really into travel; my wife Kate and I like to go to Africa, America, just enjoy the world. Our business ticks along nicely whether we turn up or not. And each year we ask: is the business still going the way we want? We want a completely transient business: close the MacBook, put it in a backpack, run it from anywhere. And we no longer want to employ anybody; we'd rather outsource to freelancers and be their customer. It intrigues me when people say they want to 10X their business. Okay, that's interesting, but is that really what you want? Are you going to be fulfilled and happy with all those liabilities? So just be careful what you wish for.

Sifu Julliana Armstrong: "Be careful what you wish for." That is hard-won wisdom, and it's the thing nobody tells young warriors. Bigger is not the same as better. There's a season where you need to prove yourself (the fast cars, the trophies), and then, if you're lucky, you grow past it and realise the real prize was time, freedom, and the people you love. Educating your sons over impressing strangers. That's a warrior who knows what the fight was actually for.

Sifu Edward Armstrong: You were named Internet Marketer of the Year for a brand-new technique that was actually very old. That's a lesson in itself.

Nick James: It was a great privilege to be awarded Internet Marketer of the Year at the end of 2016. I was shortlisted to give a 30-minute presentation to 200 marketers, and I explained one technique that can guarantee a 100% opt-in rate from prospects responding to your advert. It had never been taught before, and it raised eyebrows. And this is the thing that makes me smile. It was something I read in a very old book by Robert Collier, and I just updated it for the internet age. It goes to show that the very old, traditional marketing methods from the 1920s and '30s are still as relevant today. The principles remain the same; it's just the tactics that change. As for what's next. I love the way the internet has evolved, and I don't think we've even begun to see what it's going to become. If you'd like a wonderful introduction to creating something and selling it, I put together a book. You can get it on Amazon, but I'd love to give everyone a free copy at sixfiguresayear.com.

Sifu Edward Armstrong: Nick, thank you. This has been a real pleasure, and we look forward to Part 2.

Nick James: My pleasure indeed. I look forward to catching up again soon.

Sifu Julliana's closing word: Two things I'm keeping from Nick. The transformation came through pain, not around it: "when the student is ready, the teacher appears," and readiness often looks like being broken open. And the wisdom at the far end: be careful what you wish for. He chased the fast cars until he grew past them and discovered the real prize was time, freedom, and educating his sons. That's the whole arc of a warrior who figured out what he was actually fighting for.

Sifu Edward's closing word: Nick handed us the deepest law of the dojo without even naming it: follow the master to the letter, because clever people who change the recipe before they've mastered it always fail. Master the form exactly as taught. You earn the right to change it only after you can cook the original in your sleep. Add value, be the white knight, keep your ethics as the foundation, and the lifetime value rewards you a hundredfold. We don't entertain warriors. We create them.

Nick James, one of the UK's most experienced internet marketers, Internet Marketer of the Year, and a master of product licensing. Free book at sixfiguresayear.com. (See also Part 2, Issue 178.)

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